Thursday, August 18, 2011

Was the first living cell programmed with information by God or by random physical forces?

Bacteria may be the first living organisms. Even the most primitive bacterium is programmed with complex information in DNA. If the first bacterium were assembled from inanimate chemicals, where did its DNA information come from? Is it possible to get information from random physical forces, or must it come from an intelligent designer?





If the information in the genetic code came from random physical forces, is there any other instance of random physical forces assembling even simple information, much less the genetic code to build a living organism?|||We know from our experience that we can convey information with a twenty-six-letter, or even with just two characters, like zeros and ones used in the binary code in computers. But it's important that the letters go in the right order. Order makes the difference unite and untie. The same is true for genes. In DNA, there are long lines of As, Cs, Gs, and Ts that are precisely arranged in order to assemble the amino acids into proteins. Different arrangements of characters yield different sequences of amino acids.





For more than fifty years, as scientists have studied the six feet of DNA tightly coiled inside every one of our body's one hundred trillion cells, they have marveled at how it provides the genetic information necessary to create all of the different proteins out of which our bodies are built. In fact, each one of the thirty thousand genes that are embedded in our twenty-three pairs of chromosomes can yield as many as 20,500 different kinds of proteins. The presence of such specific information in DNA raises a critical issue. If you can't explain where the information comes from, you haven't explained life, because it's the information that makes the molecules into something that actually functions.





Bill Gates once said that DNA is like a software program, only much more complex than anything people have ever devised. At Microsoft, Gates uses intelligent programmers to produce software. In an analogous way, many scientists today believe that it makes sense that an intelligent being 'programmed' DNA.





It seems that a number of skeptics above favor the RNA-1st hypothesis. The RNA-1st hypothesis says that the first cell was reproduced by using RNA instead of DNA. Like DNA, RNA can store information and even replicate. Some small viruses use RNA as their genetic material. But because RNA molecules are simpler than DNA, some scientists thought they might be more likely to form through natural processes or pure chance.





Although popular for a while, the RNA theory has generated more than its share of skeptics. The main problem is that the RNA molecule would need a certain minimal amount of information to function, just as DNA would, so we're right back to the same problem of where the information came from the first place.





Dr. Francis Crick, co-discoverer of the double-helix structure of DNA, has conceded: "An honest man, armed with all the knowledge available now, could only state that in some sense, the origin of life appears at the moment to be almost a miracle, so many are the conditions which would have had to have been satisfied to get it going."|||no|||See abiogenesis.|||*sigh*





The earliest organisms had RNA, not DNA.|||God created everything.





Re: first living cell. See previous sentence.|||WRONG the most early and simple bacteria didn't need DNA, RNA would suffice. you know nothing of abiogenesis|||Today's bacteria are much more complex than the first living cells.|||http://www.wired.com/wiredscience/2008/0鈥?/a>





I'm going to go with physical forces.|||"Bacteria may be the first living organisms."





A: Note your use of the word MAY here, and also note that you follow that up with absolutist statements, rendering your position inconsistent and dishonest.





B: It's been shown repeatedly in the last century, especially via Chaos Theory, that order and complexity CAN arise from random interactions. There are plenty of instances of this; one of the most common is through incredibly basic signalling networks. Set up a set of signalling terminals that can transmit, receive and react, leave them for a while, and they develop primitive but complex networks. So in other words, yes, 'information', or more accurately complexity, can and does arise from simple interactions. Hope this helps your understanding of the world.





kissthepilot: Sorry, magic dust is what YOUR story requires. Us rational people have this thing called 'Chemistry' to help explain things. You might want to look that term up.|||The first life probably was not DNA based cells, but RNA in a less than cellular capacity. The environment they lived in no longer exists on Earth, so even the most primitive bacteria isn't a exact duplicate of the earliest life. Good try, but personal incredulity still isn't proof of a magical designer.





And yes, there are instances of physical forces assembling information. They're called crystals.|||I'm sure it wasn't magic dust, like the evolutionists would have you believe! lol.|||The first, most simplest organisms were just that; simple. It is the billions and trillions of generations since then that've allowed the simple cells to develop DNA, which inevitably accumulated and changed over time.|||i will needs all the information that i'll gets in here by all those answers and of yours questions. Thanks.|||ANything that scientists can study was made by God,


From the bugs to the bacteria, as even some bacteria is needed.


Any physical force within a cell or anything else was created by God.


HE created the entire cellular structure.


HE created DNA, have you ever seen Lamin, the dna markings, formed in the shape of a cross.


You find that a coincidence?


No. God says there are no coincidences. Even in the Hebrew language, there is no word for coincidence.


Many scientists that are believers know these things, and they also know that they cant explain any of it to a non believer, cuz it takes faith to see and truly understand.


But one can have that, if they go to God, repent, and ask Jesus into their heart, and become born again.


Till then, they will never understand.


ALso, we who do know and believe, dont have to proove a thing to anyone.


Nor does God have to proove Himself.


ONce you have faith, He shows you.


And, if one wont have faith, it is not His fault.


Enuff evidence for a creator God is there for all to see.


IF ppl wont follow up to learn more, its not Gods fault.


FulL GOspel Shirley

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